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Tyler a écrit:Celtics : Ca fait longtemps que le nom d'Udoka circulait comme coach, content de le voir avoir sa chance. Au niveau joueur, Rob Will, pour voir s'il continue sa progression et l'apport éventuel d'Horford.
Nico32 a écrit:Sarver ou comment, après une décennie de lose, prendre le risque de mettre le bordel dans une équipe qui fonctionnait enfin bien...
And this is before we get into teams being able to create max cap space out of thin air, as we saw this past summer with sign-and-trade deals. Cap space is now a fungible commodity league-wide, with a lot of creative executives capable of maneuvering clever moves. Charlotte particularly stands out as a team that could maneuver itself into max cap space to pair Ayton with an elite pick-and-roll guard in LaMelo Ball. In Ayton’s case, every NBA executive I spoke with noted that they felt he would get a max deal on the open market this coming summer barring a large collapse in his level of play.
Teams looking to sign Ayton this summer will be able to throw every poison pill in the book at him to make it less attractive for Phoenix to match. They can give him 50 percent of his salary upfront at the start of each league year. They can throw in a max trade kicker. They can put in a player option after the third year, allowing him to hit free agency sooner.
That means an Ayton max signed today by Phoenix wouldn’t have necessarily looked like a typical max in 2025-26. The 2025-26 season is when Ayton would have been starting the fourth year of a five-year max contract. So while a max signed by Ayton would have amounted to 25 percent of the salary cap next year, it might have looked more like 20 to 22 percent range for his fourth year of the deal in 2025-26 despite his salary rising in the preceding years. Such a situation gave Phoenix a real incentive to try to get a maximum deal done now for five years. The team would have wrung real value out of his deal in the first three years, given that this is when they are likely to be competing with Paul at the helm next to Booker. Then, they would have gotten a potential bargain in terms of salary if the cap hits the levels prognosticators league-wide think it could.
If Ayton does sign a four-year offer sheet with a player option for the 2025-26 season (thus giving him the option of hitting free agency in the summer of 2025), he has a chance to double-dip value-wise in contractually advantageous ways. He’ll be eligible for a maximum deal that allows his contract to start at 30 percent of the cap by nature of having seven years of experience in the NBA (as opposed to the 25 percent of the cap that his contract can start at now because he has under seven years experience). On top of that, if the TV money kicks in, we could be talking about Ayton being eligible to sign a contract for 30 percent of a salary cap that is in the $160 million range. That would be a deal starting at around $48 million.
Tyler a écrit:@f2ff : Cet article de Sam Vecenie résume bien (en plus pointu ) ce que je pense de pourquoi c'est une mauvaise chose pour les Suns : https://theathletic.com/2898177/2021/10 ... %20vecenie
En gros :
- La perception des autres front offices interrogés par Vecenie est qu'ils auraient donné le max à Ayton, éventuellement en essayant d'avoir une team option sur la 5ème année.
- C'est bizarre de vouloir se montrer dur en affaire avec Ayton quand tu donnes 10M par an à Shamet sans savoir avec certitude si tu pourras le faire jouer en PO, et quand tu compare son prix à celui d'un Bryn forbes par exemple (bon, je suis un peu plus hypé par Shamet que Vecenie)
- L'argument comme quoi avec Ayton + Booker tu as deux "designated rookie extension players", et que tu peux pas en avoir 3 : En gros y a que 4 joueurs concernés ici, à savoir Simmons, KAT, MPJ, Murray. Le dernier est out, l'idée que Denver veuille se séparer de MPJ peu probable, si tu prends KAT tu trade Ayton dans tous les cas, et Simmons ça me paraitrait très cher et risqué.
- Y aura qui comme joueur meilleur qu'Ayton sur le marché l'été prochain ? Lavine et ?
- Exemple d'équipes pouvant être intéressées par Ayton et pouvant facilement avoir le cap pour : Detroit, San Antonio, Okhlahoma... et bien d'autre :And this is before we get into teams being able to create max cap space out of thin air, as we saw this past summer with sign-and-trade deals. Cap space is now a fungible commodity league-wide, with a lot of creative executives capable of maneuvering clever moves. Charlotte particularly stands out as a team that could maneuver itself into max cap space to pair Ayton with an elite pick-and-roll guard in LaMelo Ball. In Ayton’s case, every NBA executive I spoke with noted that they felt he would get a max deal on the open market this coming summer barring a large collapse in his level of play.
- Même s'ils pourront matcher, les Suns s'exposent à des termes bien moins favorables :Teams looking to sign Ayton this summer will be able to throw every poison pill in the book at him to make it less attractive for Phoenix to match. They can give him 50 percent of his salary upfront at the start of each league year. They can throw in a max trade kicker. They can put in a player option after the third year, allowing him to hit free agency sooner.
- Avec l'augmentation du cap à venir, Phoenix avait tout intérêt à sécuriser 5 ans au max que 3 ou 4 ans comme ils l'ont proposé (Hollinger a écrit en détail à ce sujet aussi).That means an Ayton max signed today by Phoenix wouldn’t have necessarily looked like a typical max in 2025-26. The 2025-26 season is when Ayton would have been starting the fourth year of a five-year max contract. So while a max signed by Ayton would have amounted to 25 percent of the salary cap next year, it might have looked more like 20 to 22 percent range for his fourth year of the deal in 2025-26 despite his salary rising in the preceding years. Such a situation gave Phoenix a real incentive to try to get a maximum deal done now for five years. The team would have wrung real value out of his deal in the first three years, given that this is when they are likely to be competing with Paul at the helm next to Booker. Then, they would have gotten a potential bargain in terms of salary if the cap hits the levels prognosticators league-wide think it could.
- Pour résumé, le principal soucis c'est le risque de voir Ayton signer un contrat en 3 + 1 :If Ayton does sign a four-year offer sheet with a player option for the 2025-26 season (thus giving him the option of hitting free agency in the summer of 2025), he has a chance to double-dip value-wise in contractually advantageous ways. He’ll be eligible for a maximum deal that allows his contract to start at 30 percent of the cap by nature of having seven years of experience in the NBA (as opposed to the 25 percent of the cap that his contract can start at now because he has under seven years experience). On top of that, if the TV money kicks in, we could be talking about Ayton being eligible to sign a contract for 30 percent of a salary cap that is in the $160 million range. That would be a deal starting at around $48 million.
Nico32 a écrit:Khali a écrit:KAT qui sort un match de Franchise par ailleurs, j’en connais a qui ça a du plaire
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